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Ted Byrne
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Do you look at or through a photo?


« on: November 23, 2008, 12:12:24 PM »

I am starting to worry about it. This is the sort of thing I am seeing litter my monitor screen these days. It started about six months ago and now I seem to be trapped in a photo-club sense of calendar-perfect images. I get intrigued with the toys, and too quickly the toys take over. It's like a bad Steven King novel where filters and effects have their way with me. AAARGH! Gotta reassert control..... Yipes....  Huh


Oh... BTW this is Eleanor Roosevelt's home, Val-Kill, in Hyde Park, New York. It's a modest place built about two miles from her husband's home where they lived, separately. That's what the picture is of... what the picture is... is a demonstration that I am wallowing helplessly in romanticism! This shows nothing of my political conclusions vis-a-vis Eleanor R, nor her husband. It shows nothing of the cultural moments either of today versus then or then versus now. It reveals none of the mustiness that permeates the place. Nor does it show that the visiting tourists were... well I was continually the youngest in every tour group. The people around me remembered the Roosevelts who ruled in the 1930-40s. It was a sense of history visiting history... or itself. I had a claustrophobic sense of being smothered by my parents' clothes. And the image that came out?  It shows none of that. Grumble. I can write it, but not express it in an image that resonates... instead I get images that a camera club might ribbon. Sigh.... hulp!
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 06:02:46 PM »

I guess, every digital photographer has periods of fascination with all the possibilities that computer gives them for manipulating their images. I went through a cycle of that fascination about 10-12 years ago. I was spending ridiculous amounts of money on every program and every plug-in available - even if I didn't have an immediate need for them. Then, I came to my senses. I re-evaluated my approach to photography and I stopped buying those software gadgets. When I was done, I felt a renewed interest in pure photography. BTW, by 'pure' I don't mean 'unaltered'. I just prefer to keep my alterations invisible (or hardly visible) and I use them as additions/enhancements rather than subjects in their own rights.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 06:54:21 PM »

I can write it, but not express it in an image that resonates...

Hmmm... I envy you being able to articulate what struck you about the setting that you wanted to capture.

Lately, looking at my own photos I keep thinking "something's lacking." (Shades of "Free Play", which I've just begun to read.) Perhaps it's what you call "resonance". And I agree that no amount of sophisticated treatment is going to bring out something which just isn't there. It strikes me as akin to applying makeup to a face which has no soul.

Though in this image, I think you did succeed in bringing out a feeling of "mustiness" and age; a scene which might be part of our history, but not of our time.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2008, 12:04:57 PM »

Addendum, as I continue reading Free Play:

"To do anything artistically you have to acquire technique, but you create through your technique and not with it."

This particularly struck me in light of Ted's question, "Do you look at or through an image?"
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 02:39:22 PM »

Calendar-perfect pictures you say? What kind of a out-of-this-world calendar that must be! And I mean it in a positive way.

First, you beamed this nice, tranquil place, this stage for a hisotric play into a funky Cpt.-MegaBlaster movie, methinks. The sky is so totally overdone, it must be somewhere on a ditant planet. Yes, the sky is almost looking ironic down over this serene scene. You so often manage to pick something that might have given a calendar-perfect shot, but after you're done with it, the scene is beamed to a totally different level of perception.

I can't say I always like it. But it always worked in a way that I see things in your shot but always think of everything else but these things. I wonder where in the cosmos this scene might live, I wonder what weird characters will appear on that stage, I dream of incredible stories where this scene plays a role. And I don't spend any time analyzing the photo as I would with 99% of all other photographs I look at.

I don't care about sharpness, about composition, about balance etc... your shots so often just beam me away. I am amazed by that. Still want to understand what makes that happen. If I ever do, I just made a big step forward for my own photography developpment.

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Ted Byrne
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 09:44:57 PM »

Sometimes it's as if there's a psychologist who awakes in the night with the terrible realization that talk-therapy is... BULLSHIT! It's a crisis of faith, right. Perhaps not all talk therapy is BS, but it's her conclusion that her's is. OK... I'm not comparing any of these reservations to a priest or minister who's abruptly become aware that the meaning of life isn't to be found in a particular holy book....  That's too cataclysmic. Rather there are more times than not that the ending of an image is not as I imagined it... more as if the characters in a novel mutinied and pirated the book away from the author's well laid plans. What's worse... I'm angry at the characters for creating an ending which does not satisfy me.

Okay then... who is the victim and who the perpetrator? Now none of this is to be confused with the image which just goes nowhere. All of us frequently discover that blind alley. It's a normal course of art and one which eventually leads to a large sigh and a saving of the thing to a file which we probably should trash but lack the heart to... I know that you know what I'm saying here. There is, sadly, no artist's version of Viagra which will overcome artistic flaccidity. Smiley

No... what this little puzzle I'm working through is about is the image which finishes... oddly. Unexpectedly... Perhaps even powerfully, but not satisfyingly. Still we recognize it as an accomplishment that we're willing to expose.. but not quite claim as a favorite child. What I hate most is when a fissure occurs between my expectation, and its execution. I'm never sure whether the culprit is my lack of craft... or talent.

Which brings me back to the psychologist abruptly sitting up straight in the night and muttering... BULLSHIT! Aaargh!

Thanks for you comments. That's what's expected of this seminar site.


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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 07:53:57 PM »

Rather there are more times than not that the ending of an image is not as I imagined it... more as if the characters in a novel mutinied and pirated the book away from the author's well laid plans. What's worse... I'm angry at the characters for creating an ending which does not satisfy me.

Are you a parent? Wink

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What I hate most is when a fissure occurs between my expectation, and its execution. I'm never sure whether the culprit is my lack of craft... or talent.

Hmmm... I've had some promising images get away from me during processing; they took on a life of their own, and I wasn't necessarily delighted with the result. I'm not sure if that's because they needed to go in that direction, or if it's because I got in the way (using various techniques).

One quote I have on my desktop: "Ask your work what it needs, not what you need." -- Art and Fear
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